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Beef with BZPower

Hey, I’m back, though with an apology this time.

I won’t take back quite everything I said, but I admit that it was out of line of me to just jump right in and declare “I THINK YOU’RE WRONG!” Without enough to back up my claims, to boot. I admit it was pretentious of me, and I was indeed lacking information in multiple areas. I’ve talked with (several rather scathing) people on Tumblr, and gotten my facts straight. Most of the issue was that. The rest was me being incapable of properly saying what I meant.

I don’t want to renew this debate or anything, but I want to answer the issue about makeup. Yeah, I know women don’t necessarily (or even mostly) wear makeup to impress guys. I was being satirical, and in doing so, deviated from the point I was trying to make, that there’s a difference between admiration and objectifiation, and that I felt I hadn’t crossed the line. I think the main reason why so many thought I did was because of my poor choice of example and words. I was attempting to highlight my praise for strong women, and ended up drawing the focus (mine included) on the lustful aspect of it, which in turn made it sound objectifying. I clarified this a bit more on Tumblr, too.  

So once again, I apologize for trying to sound smart on a subject I truly know little about, and also for my confusing choice of words throughout. I honestly don’t know what possessed me to do such a thing, but rest assured that I regret it and have no plans of repeating this mistake. 

Laying it all out

limited-probabilities:

draezeth:

  • I believe women should have equal job opportunities and pay as men. I, however, would rather be the primary breadwinner in my house, whether this means my spouse would work or not.

Fine, as long as your spouse is happy with the arrangement.

That was the idea.

  • I believe women should be free to act as manly and independent as they want. I, however, am more attracted to meek and reliant girls. 

Fine. Although I think that a meek and reliant girl would be better off with a man who actually empowers her. Everyone deserves to be empowered.

That was also the idea.

  • I believe that women who are sensitive to being treated as physically weaker should have that fact respected. I, however, believe in what obervation, science and genetics have shown: that women are naturally weaker than men.

Though the average man may be stronger than the average woman, there is enough overlap in the strength of individuals for this to be irrelevant in how you judge individual men and women. Furthermore, women have better flexibility and endurance, which are just as important.

Agreed, I was specifically addressing the issue of physical strength, though.

  • I believe that women and men should be treated equally as far as promiscuity is concerned. I, personally, do not respect promiscuity, and am vocal of that fact.

If you don’t like promiscuity then don’t be promiscuous but you have no right to police other people for it.

Right. I have a right to disapprove, though.

  • I am aware of the evils, dangers, and shocking facts about rape, and have researched the statistics. I do not, however, believe that there is such a thing as “rape culture” in developed countries such as this, or that the government or the media promote rape in any way.

You don’t know what rape culture is. Educate yourself.

Hm? *reads* Ohhhh, okay. That makes more sense. Some of the stuff enumerated here doesn’t particularly strike me as bad, but that could very well be because of that.

  • I believe that women’s bodies ought to be respected and that objectification is disrespectful. I, however, also believe that those who call any admiration of the female body objectification should get off their high horse and reconsider their definitions.

But are you seeing these women as people or as bodies?

People, if it’s actual people. Bodies, if it’s drawn or something like that.

  • I believe that the Bible states that women should not not teach in church, and that that should be followed. I, however, believe that women ought to be free to speak in church, and provide input as anyone else can.

Then don’t attend a church that allows women to teach. But if a woman wants to teach in church and her church allows it you have no right to stop her.

Sure.

  • I find strong and muscular women attractive. Yes, this is a sexual attraction. I am only human, and as such have a biological programming to find (in my case) women attractive. Deal with it.

Again, but are you seeing these women as people or as bodies.

  • I believe that homosexuality is a sin. I, however, do not believe that homosexual marriage should be banned, or that the government even has a right to ban such practice. In addition, I believe that the wishes of a priest unwilling to marry a same-sex couple ought to be respected as well. I have homo, bi and asexual friends and respect them as I would any other person. More than most, even.

How charitable of you.

  • I believe that Anita Sarkeesian is a joke with a plethora of faults and delusions and does not deserve even a thousandth of the following and attention she has. I, however, do not believe that death threats are the proper- or mature- way to make this clear!

What a charitable person.

  • I believe there is a bias against women in the law today. I, however, do not believe this is done out of any intention to actually oppress women, and is simply a poor handling of the situation.

No one claims that it is intentional, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a problem and it should be fixed.

Oh, some do. I’ve talked with them. And I never said it shouldn’t be fixed.

  • I believe that elections should not be affected by the sex of the candidates being voted on. I, however, do not necessarily believe that the gender ratio has to be 50-50, or even close. If there were more men than women, or women than men that won the election because the people thought they would do a better job, then deal with it.

This would be fine if it wasn’t obvious that female politicians are held to a higher standard than male ones.

As I said, I believe that elections should not be affected by the sex of the candidates. I’m glad we agree on this.

  • I often use satire and faulty arguments to point out flaws in other people’s logic. This rarely comes across clearly.

Is this a hint that this post is a joke?

No, no, it was a reference to a previous argument I had. Several, really.

  • I believe rape is a crime that deserves much better punishment and attention in court. I, however, also believe that women ought to learn to defend themselves ON TOP OF THAT. Take aikido, or some other form of self-defense class.

Contrary to popular belief, stranger rape is actually relatively rare. Aikido is no defense against emotional manipulation or roofies. It’s probably not so effective when drunk. Honestly, if your area was having a problem with mugging attempts, would you be telling people to try not to get mugged or would you be trying to catch the crooks?

See the words I bolded, italicised, underlined and capitalized.

  • I believe that misogyny is a real issue, and that women do not currently have equal rights to men. I, however, also believe that conditions are still okay, and that there are other issues that are more pressing to be dealt with.

Your discomfort with feminists is a smaller problem than our discomfort (to understate it) with the patriarchy.

That’s… not what I said at all. I don’t even see how you got that.

  • And lastly, while I believe that people are free to stand for what they believe in, if they’re going to blow it out of proportion in one way or another, I also have the right to stand up for believing that they’re wrong. And that may or may not include satire. This goes for feminazis, militant atheists and religious zealots alike, regardless of whether or no I agree with them.

Maybe it looks out of proportion to you, but then again, maybe you’re just not grasping the importance of these issues. Besides, it doesn’t matter what you believe, it matters if you have a good reason to believe it.

Maybe I’m not. I am a man, after all, and not affected by these issues. But I’ve spoken with countless women and girls who are happy and do not think these are issues. There are even those who mock radical feminists. Not that I’ve conversed with those, but I’ve seen them around Tumblr.

This is all I will say on this matter. I am done here. Think what you will of me, but this is the bottom line. The lowdown. Who I am.

Now please drop it.

You really expect to post a list of controversial and badly supported statements tagged with the groups you disagree with and not be argued with?

No. But the point of this was to make my stance on every aspect of this matter clear, to clear up the slander and misconceptions that have been aimed in my direction over the last two days.

Laying it all out

  • I believe women should have equal job opportunities and pay as men. I, however, would rather be the primary breadwinner in my house, whether this means my spouse would work or not.
  • I believe women should be free to act as manly and independent as they want. I, however, am more attracted to meek and reliant girls. 
  • I believe that women who are sensitive to being treated as physically weaker should have that fact respected. I, however, believe in what obervation, science and genetics have shown: that women are naturally weaker than men.
  • I believe that women and men should be treated equally as far as promiscuity is concerned. I, personally, do not respect promiscuity, and am vocal of that fact.
  • I believe that women can take care of themselves just fine. I, however, also believe in chivalry. I don’t appreciate being resented for holding a door open or pulling up a chair.
  • I am aware of the evils, dangers, and shocking facts about rape, and have researched the statistics. I do not, however, believe that ‘rape culture’ is quite as bad as it is made out to be. Buuut that could just be self-fulfilling.
  • I believe that women’s bodies ought to be respected and that objectification is disrespectful. I, however, also believe that those who call any admiration of the female body objectification should get off their high horse and reconsider their definitions.
  • I believe that the Bible states that women should not not teach in church, and that that should be followed. I, however, believe that women ought to be free to speak in church, and provide input as anyone else can.
  • I find strong and muscular women attractive. Yes, this is a sexual attraction. I am only human, and as such have a biological programming to find (in my case) women attractive. Deal with it.
  • I believe that homosexuality is a sin. I, however, do not believe that homosexual marriage should be banned, or that the government even has a right to ban such practice. In addition, I believe that the wishes of a priest unwilling to marry a same-sex couple ought to be respected as well. I have homo, bi and asexual friends and respect them as I would any other person. More than most, even.
  • I believe that Anita Sarkeesian is a joke with a plethora of faults and delusions and does not deserve even a thousandth of the following and attention she has. I, however, do not believe that death threats are the proper- or mature- way to make this clear!
  • I believe there is a bias against women in the law today. I, however, do not believe this is done out of any intention to actually oppress women, and is simply a poor handling of the situation.
  • I believe that elections should not be affected by the sex of the candidates being voted on. I, however, do not necessarily believe that the gender ratio has to be 50-50, or even close. If there were more men than women, or women than men that won the election because the people thought they would do a better job, then deal with it.
  • I often use satire and faulty arguments to point out flaws in other people’s logic. This rarely comes across clearly.
  • I believe rape is a crime that deserves much better punishment and attention in court. I, however, also believe that women ought to learn to defend themselves ON TOP OF THAT(put some emphasis on that since nobody seems to get that I mean both). Take aikido, or some other form of self-defense class.
  • I believe that misogyny is a real issue, and that women do not currently have equal rights to men. I, however, also believe that conditions are still okay, and that there are other issues that are more pressing to be dealt with.
  • And lastly, while I believe that people are free to stand for what they believe in, if they’re going to blow it out of proportion in one way or another, I also have the right to stand up for believing that they’re wrong. And that may or may not include satire. This goes for feminazis, militant atheists and religious zealots alike, regardless of whether or no I agree with them.

This is all I will say on this matter. I am done here. Think what you will of me, but this is the bottom line. The lowdown. Who I am.

Now please drop it.

Arguing with a radfem

ninininny:

saltyseababies:

will-graham-i-am:

nextyearsgirl:

draezeth:

Me: I don’t think rape culture or patriarchy is as big a problem as you make it out to be.
Radfem: You are harming women, men and gender neutral people!

Me: Men ARE taught not to rape, but there are still those who do. You can’t help that.
Radfem: Mysoginist rape-supporter!

Me: I’m not sexist. Hell, I even find women with abs attractive!
Radfem: MYSOGINIST PIG! STOP OBJECTIFYING WOMEN!
It’s weird you would think a radical feminist would know how to spell misogyny correctly.

As fucking if, more like

dumb baby: a-durrr I’m willfully ignorant

me: *turns into the Kraken, drags you down to your watery grave*

i find draezeth’s fictional radfem makes a lot more sense than he does

Are we all going to ignore this: “Me: I’m not sexist. Hell, I even find women with abs attractive!”

I actually said more than just that, but that was the part they jumped on. I added “and I would love to have a nice strong partner in the future!”

Arguing with a radfem

saltyseababies:

will-graham-i-am:

nextyearsgirl:

draezeth:

Me: I don’t think rape culture or patriarchy is as big a problem as you make it out to be.
Radfem: You are harming women, men and gender neutral people!

Me: Men ARE taught not to rape, but there are still those who do. You can’t help that.
Radfem: Mysoginist rape-supporter!

Me: I’m not sexist. Hell, I even find women with abs attractive!
Radfem: MYSOGINIST PIG! STOP OBJECTIFYING WOMEN!
It’s weird you would think a radical feminist would know how to spell misogyny correctly.

As fucking if, more like

dumb baby: a-durrr I’m willfully ignorant

me: *turns into the Kraken, drags you down to your watery grave*

i find draezeth’s fictional radfem makes a lot more sense than he does

She wasn’t fictional. Though I did paraphrase.

Allow me to reiterate

I am aware rape is a serious crime, whose rates are shockingly high. I am aware not many cases go to court.

But I still believe that going so far as to call it “rape culture” is not correct. I don’t believe that society is “normalizing” or condoning it. 

Yeah, it’s a big problem. Yes, it could and should be prevented. But a lot of people take it a liiiittle far.

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